Incognigo Montoya

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  You might have been a JW if...

  by Incognigo Montoya in

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  ... unlike the rest of humanity, you looked forward to mondays because it was a day off from a meeting..

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  When other kids at school bitched about going to church, you thought, "you have no idea..."
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  You might have been a JW if...

  by Incognigo Montoya in

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  ... unlike the rest of humanity, you looked forward to mondays because it was a day off from a meeting..

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  ... unlike the rest of humanity, you looked forward to Mondays because it was a day off from a meeting.
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  Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

  by Earthmeasured in

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  sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

  im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

  i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

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  Orphan Crow, 😂🤣
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  People (!) and their bloody phones..

  by zeb in

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  rant warning.. simple shopping trip.. near miss one,.. normal ..as people are such dick heads today, second very close both by women with their brats in car- both occasions arguments going on over their f*** phones.

  the second had mum leaning over the drivers seat waving her hand in brats face.

  i saw this coming hit the brakes making tires howl and leaned on the horn.

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  Funny you say that about texting, tiki. I am the opposite. Would much rather make a call than text. Gets the conversation and reason for contact over much quicker, and less likely to misunderstand a person's intentions when you can hear their voice. (Incidentally I hate voicemail. I despise having to sit through the vm prompts followed by some lengthy message where the caller takes forever to get around to the point and leaves their return number. I've got caller ID, I'll call you back if I want to talk! Triggered 😂🤣) I can usually say what needs to be said much quicker than I can type it...

  But I agree that people spend entirely too much time on their phones, distracted, though I dont think it's time talking on them as much as its texting, social media, and surfing the web. The phone's mutli function convenience is such a great innovation and asset, while at the same time being the bane of today's society. Double edged sword.
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  Artists

  by Incognigo Montoya in

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  as a child i naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific.

  being a jw, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest.

  as i got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, i was often encouraged to put bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that i should pursue a bethel career, using my artistic skills.

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  Thanks for sharing dynamite and Giordano! I can relate to much of what you both said. Giordano, sounds like you and your wife were made for each other. Good on you both for following your dreams and making it in the art world. Congratulations on your success! Both of you, if you would, I would love to see your work. Send me a link to a website, or just post up some work. I am also interested in hearing a bit more about your artist advocacy group.
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  Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

  by Earthmeasured in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

  im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

  i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

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  I'm an artist, I completely understand perspective. Perspective horizon is usually higher.

  Now, explain to me your perspective. Where does the horizon end? Why has no one found it? Why, in summer at the poles, is the sun visible for 24 hours as it travels a full 360° above the horizon?

  For a guy who's studied astrnomy, geography, mechanics, cynematics, quantum physicss you sure are ignorant.
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  Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

  by Earthmeasured in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

  im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

  i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

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  Or you could go with the simple, scientifically proven, accurate, answer: the earth is a sphere...

  You simply cannot have the sun setting on the horizon as it does, incrementally advancing as you move west, without the earth being a sphere. You should get out a little more. Get on a plane, fly around to a few different continents, get back with me when you find the edge...
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  Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

  by Earthmeasured in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

  im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

  i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

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  Earth measured. Explain this please

  Sunset time today, January 8 2019

  4:46pm etz. New York City, Ny. USA

  4:56pm ctz. St. Louis Mo. USA

  4:52pm mtz. Denver Co. USA

  5:08pm ptz. San Francisco Ca. USA

  6:06pm htz. Honolulu Hi. USA

  If you need, I can explain time zones, how they work, and why we need them...
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  Artists

  by Incognigo Montoya in

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  2. experiences

  as a child i naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific.

  being a jw, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest.

  as i got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, i was often encouraged to put bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that i should pursue a bethel career, using my artistic skills.

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  As a child I naturally inherited an interest in art, drawing and painting to be specific. Being a JW, the paintings and drawings in the literature always caught my eye and piqued my interest. As I got older, and bettered my artistic abilities, I was often encouraged to put Bethel as a goal, though it was family friends more so than my parents who suggested that I should pursue a Bethel career, using my artistic skills. Interestingly The outside world was always quick to note my "god given talent", though my parents and other witnesses never attributed my skill as gifted to me by god... just that I should use my ability as a gift offering to god, by using it to help bring praise to him, and work towards joining Bethel. This interested me, and throughout my middle school and early high school careers, it was what I wanted to do. The jws that encouraged me often said that if I qualified for Bethel service, I wouldn't necessarily be used in the art department, but how ever "Jehovah saw fit to use me", though some would quickly follow up by saying surely with my abilities I would be used at some point in the art department. This gave me pause. Art was all I ever thought of. Inside, all i ever wanted was to be an artist, painting and drawing for the rest of my life. I didn't want to spend time doing something else in the hope that I would eventually, maybe get to work in the art department. Later in my high school career, my art interests took a turn and became more specific. I pursued a specific genre of art and painting that would never be used at Bethel, and therefore the idea fell from my radar. I was disfellowshipped at 19, and went out into the world, pursuing my artistic goals, where I found success. I have risen to be amongst the top in my artistic field, respected by my peers worldwide, having my work sold and displayed around the US, as well as a few other places around the world, and have been published in numerous journals, both artistic and secular (I only mention this to explain why I'm being a bit vague, as if I were to give some specifics it might give me away to the wrong person(s). Ok, and I was bragging a little 😉). In perusing the archives on this site, i have come across quite a few others who've followed their artistic careers, in writing, fine art/illustration, or musically. Some of your stories are great and inspiring. I enjoyed reading them, especially some of you who went to Bethel and served in the art department. You see, truth be told, for a long time part of me regretted not pursuing my Bethel dreams. Being a professional artist can be difficult and has it's up and downs. I often thought, even though I was disfellowshipped and long gone, that had i pursued my childhood goal of Bethel service, i would've had less worries and felt more long lasting fulfillment (another artist thing; being an artist can be full of extreme highs and lows. Art is emotional. You're only as good as your last piece, mentally you're always pushing to do more, and better on your next piece, never satisfied with the last) of course I was always taught I would never find true fulfillment outside of the organization, so I attributed these feelings to falling away. See, even though I was Df'd and physically long gone, I still believed and was still mentally in. Interestingly however, it was an incident later on, with my art and JW's, that really helped wake me up. Perhaps I will share that later. I really didn't write this to be about my life, but it kinda wandered that way... lol. Anyway, reading a few of your Bethel experiences definitely made me grateful to have followed my heart instead.

  What I was really working towards was the observation, it seems there are quite a few artistic individuals, who were once witnesses. While a great many people possess some sort of amateur artistic abilities, very few pursue an art form as a profession. Yet, it would seem a few of us here, have. I am intrigued, a bit. Perhaps it's due to the fact that artistic interests weren't as discouraged as say sports or other secular pursuits. Perhaps there's another reason. Maybe my acute senses are noticing something that's not really worthy of mention (kinda like when you buy a car, and then start noticing all the other cars similar to yours...)

  Anyway, if you are an artist, painter, musician, writer, I love reading and hearing your experiences. Thank you.
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  Have you ever considered trying ancestry.com?

  by minimus in

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  i was recently given a gift of ancestry.com and i’m curious if anyone else has used this service?.

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  I took the ancestry DNA test and 6 months later, they arrested my dad, the golden state killer... 😂

  Kidding aside, I find it intriguing how this information is used to pursue fugitives, and crack open cold cases. A bit more disconcerting is what else can, and eventually may be done with your DNA information.